The riots in Tunisia and Egypt have been renamed " the first Arab revolution," the first for democracy. Yet United States and Europe, which in the words "export" democracy, in fact prefer that everything remain as it was . Explains why in the Moroccan intellectual Rita El Khayat, in this interview with City.
The West is afraid of Arab democracy
Etnopsichiatra marocchina, Rita El Khayat è stata candidata al premio Nobel per la Pace. È impegnata nella lotta per la democrazia nel Mondo Arabo.
Molti italiani hanno scoperto che Tunisia ed Egitto erano dittature solo dopo le proteste di questi giorni. Finora Hosni Mubarak era il “presidente egiziano”, non un “dittatore”. Com’è possibile professoressa El Khayat?
È incredibile, visto che gente come Mubarak o il tunisino Ben Alì è stata al potere 20 o 30 anni. Sarebbe impensabile in Francia o Germania. Invece con i Paesi Arabi si è fatto finta di niente perché Stati Uniti, Israele ed Europa avevano l’interesse a sostenere le dittature dei Paesi Arabi.
Interesse? Perché?
L’Egitto è stato il primo Paese Arabo a riconoscere Israele. In cambio della tranquillità ai confini, gli israeliani e i loro alleati hanno chiuso un occhio sulla dittatura egiziana. Ma come è possibile che Israele, che si definisce un Paese democratico, abbia così tanti legami con una dittatura come l’Egitto?
Nei giorni scorsi, in effetti, Israele ha continuato a chiedere di sostenere Mubarak.
Esatto. E finora anche il patto tra Usa, Europa e dittatori arabi è stato: voi tenete tutto il potere nei vostri Paesi, in cambio ci fate avere petrolio, gas, materie prime a buon prezzo. Pensi agli accordi dell’Italia con la Libia. Pensi all’Algeria: la gente muore di fame e i milioni di dollari guadagnati col petrolio stanno nelle banche occidentali.
Ma secondo lei, quindi Usa ed Europa, in un certo senso, hanno paura dell’avvento della democrazia nei Paesi Arabi?
Con la democrazia sarebbero molto meno controllabili. I dittatori come Mubarak, invece, fanno quello che l’Occidente chiede loro. A rimetterci sono i popoli arabi, schiacciati dai Paesi Occidentali che ci considerano come dei bambini inadatti alla democrazia, utili solo perché comprano i prodotti occidentali, ma nulla più.
Perché le rivolte sono scoppiate proprio ora?
Intanto per la maggiore circolazione delle informazioni. The Egyptians are less educated than Tunisians, who is illiterate but also watching TV. A great deal has made the Internet: it is no coincidence that Mubarak has blocked the web. But most of all was time.
was time? Meaning?
Tunisians and Egyptians are now aware that they can no longer go on. There is poverty, there is a lack of freedom. future. In most women's situation is unsustainable.
In the images of Egyptian protests are seen especially men, in contrast to what has happened with the demonstrations in Iran in 2009, for example. Why?
Depends archaic in which they live. Many of them do not even know what's happening in the world, because they live quietly at home and are not used to go out in public. They are controlled by men and tell them that if men can not get out into the street, they obey.
What do you think will happen in Egypt?
I think if it is not a matter of days is a matter of weeks, but must sell Mubarak. It is a puppet in the hands of the United States. The U.S. president Barack Obama has asked Egypt for "an orderly transition to democracy" means that Mubarak should leave.
Do you think the protests will expand to other Arab countries. Including his own, Morocco?
in Algeria yesterday (the day before yesterday for the reader, ed. ) two people are on fire in protest: it all started well in Tunisia. In Morocco the situation is different: there have been reforms in the late 90s. The new King Mohammed VI, who reigned for 11 years, has improved the status of women and leads a personal battle against poverty. Our society is much more dynamic than that the Egyptian has declined in the years to medieval conditions.
There is a danger that after the revolutions in Tunisia and Egypt will come to power Islamic fundamentalists?
Yes, it's a possibility. It happened in Morocco after the arrival of democracy, the fundamentalists tried to take it for himself. But it is one of the possibilities, not the only one. Also because until now the riots have been carried out by the people, not by fundamentalists
What is needed since the riots in Tunisia and Egypt to bring real democracy? Meanwhile, the West
avoid supporting new dictatorships and to decide for Arab peoples. And then an anthropological revolution: the political is not enough. We must improve education, promote equality between men and women, improving health. It is the only way to achieve real democracy.
Elena Thebanelena.tebano [at] rcs.it
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